Can Christians have fellowship with apostate Catholic Church?

Bible Questions Series

 

Can Christians fellowship with the apostate Catholic Church, and what is the Sabbath day NOW?

Diane asks:

Is it okay to go a catholic church even though I am not catholic-just to be with a friend.  My friend wanted me to go with her because she is a friend of mine and wanted me to pray with her. I Don’t want to do anything to get our Father mad at me.  HOW do you handle a situation when you have friends of other denominations??

Also, the 4th commandment, remember the sabbath day to keep it holy??  Please explain as my friends say it pertains to not working on Sunday but CHRIST is our Sabbath, so how does one answer that?
Thanks
Diane

Answer:

Hi Diane:
Sure you can go wherever you want, the Lord knows what’s in your heart.  Sure the Catholic Church is overburdened with idol worship, Saint worship, Mother Mary worship, …  But when you are in those places, the Lord knows that you are not worshiping their idols, you’re just being a good friend, for your friend may be troubled and she is reaching out to God the only way she ever knew.  Our Father looks at intent, it’s all about what’s in your heart, He is a ‘Heart Knower!’

Perhaps the Lord is using you to reach your friend, or perhaps the Lord wants you to observe first hand the blatant idolatry (you will be shocked)! so that you can speak knowledge when you discuss with a Catholic about the error of their church.   They will tell you that they don’t worship Mother Mary – they only reverence her – It’s the same thing, as you shall see when you watch them bow down and kiss the idols, light candles to them, offer Roses and gifts to the ‘Queen of Heaven’:

Jer 44:25-27 (God speaking)

25    Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

26    Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth.

27    Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.  (KJV)

The ‘Queen of Heaven’:

Pope Pius XII (1939-58), a Pope many today still remember,described Mary as ‘Queen of Heaven’. It was he, on November 1st 1950, who proclaimed ex-Cathedra ‘from the seat’ (infallibly) that Mary’s body was raised from the grave shortly after shedied, and she was taken up and enthroned as ‘Queen of Heaven.’

At St. Peter Square on Easter Day 1988, Pope John Paul II’s message included a prayer: “to the Queen of Heaven for protection and peace in the world.”  The only references to befound in Scripture of the ‘Queen of Heaven’ relate to theCanaanite pagan goddess to whom the Israelites burned incense,made cakes and poured out drink offerings, and who was detestable and wicked in the eyes of the Lord.

While the veneration with which Mary, the Mother of Christ, is regarded by the Catholic church is indicated in various indirect ways, for example by the large nimbus, such as may be seen in the pictures of the Crucifixion in the Rabulas manuscript of A.D. 586.  As early as A.D. 540 we find a mosaic in which she sits enthroned as Queen of Heaven in the centre of the apex of the cathedral of Parenzo in Austria, which was constructed at that date by Bishop Euphrasius.

CC (Catechism) 966: “Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as QUEEN over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.’ [LG 59; cf. Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus (1950): DS 3903; cf. Rev 19:16.] The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.” [Byzantine Liturgy, Troparion, Feast of the Dormition, August 15th.]

I wouldn’t try to dump a whole lot on your friend all at once, but after going with her to her Catholic church while she prays to dead ‘Pope appointed Saints’ and the deceased woman Mother Mary, you might afterwards invite her for coffee and gently tell her that she needn’t have gone there to speak to God, God can hear her just fine in the privacy of her own bedroom, she needn’t go to some grand church building and take a spot on a pew with the others, she can pray alone, that’s what God really wants from us.  Not Hail Mary, after Hail Mary, after Hail Mary, …

Matt 6:5-7 (Jesus Christ speaking)
5    And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6    But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7    But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.  (KJV)

She doesn’t know any better, but you do, so you can go and sit with her if it means that much to her, but you should not bow down to the images and idols and pray to any other besides God.  For if you know better, then you will be judged for that.

Your Catholic friend has been taught to pray to this Saint or that Saint, or, to pray to the deceased mother of Messiah (I wish they would let her rest in peace, they really do her a disservice by making a virtual goddess out her – It’s the ultimate insult to her memory and Christ’s as well!!!).  But Jesus Christ, our Savior, He told us how we should pray, and to whom we should pray to:

Matt 6:9-13 (Jesus speaking)
9    After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10    Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11    Give us this day our daily bread.
12    And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13    And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.  (KJV)

Tell her that you will go with her because she is your friend and it seems important to her, but tell her that really feel uncomfortable because you know that it is against what our Heavenly Father has told us in the First and Second Commandments.  You might show her this Scripture below, for in her Catholic Catechism they ‘jimmy’ the Ten Commandments to allow their idol worship.  The combine the First and Second Commandment to make it look like it is only speaking against other gods, and not their Saints and Mother Mary, and their idols and statues and images,…  Then they split the Tenth Commandment into two (the 9th and 10th) so they can still end up with ten:

Exod 20:3-6
3    Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
(First Commandment)
4    Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5    Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6    And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.  (KJV)

(Second Commandment)
Below is the Tenth Commandment, but in the Catholic Church, through their Catechism (teaching), it is divided into two Commandments, the Ninth and Tenth – so that they still can get ten all together — tricky huh?

Exod 20:17
17    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.  (KJV)

(Tenth Commandment)
I would only go once to enable you the opportunity to witness the truth to her, and most certainly do not pray to the statues of dead people or idols!  But be polite, and you can say your own prayer to God, even from the Pew of that Catholic Church.  Ask Him to lead you as far as what to say, and what not to say, to your friend about what’s going on.  But don’t lose a friend over it, and don’t lose yourself over it either.  Pray to our Father for guidance, He will lead you in all matters that you trust Him with.

A Christian can go anywhere the want because the lord is with them, a Christian strong in the faith and love of Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father the Lord God need not fear, they could walk among the very demons of hell and not be tainted nor touched.  For those who truly love the lord and keep His ways are protected always anywhere (but we do exercise common sense as well).

And don’t let your going somewhere mislead someone into thinking that they are doing right in the eyes of the lord when they are not.  In other words, I personally would not go except to use the opportunity to witness Jesus Christ and the Gospel to that friend — or else why go?

As regarding your question about the Sabbath Day:  Actually, the Sabbath was on Saturday not Sunday, the Catholic Church changed it to Sunday which was pagan in origin (Sunday = the day of the sun — sun worship).  I don’t know how far you wish to take it about the pagan practices of the Catholic Church regarding sun worship, but, on the altar during Mass, the priest retrieves the Eucharist (Communion Bread) from a round golden holder with the Eucharist fitted into the center. That holder is a sunburst.

Take a look on Sunday Catholic Television services where the camera does a close-up of the altar (EWTN is the all-Catholic network on most cable carriers, and you can view it there).  That sunburst even has the sun rays engraved into it. It is pagan in origin (the sun god Ra) and an insult to God.  Also, the Catholic Eucharist is a disc, this is not always the shape of the Communion bread, there is also a ‘biscuit’ Eucharist which is shaped like a little loaf.  The Catholic Church instituted to disc shaped Eucharist — take a guess why – It’s a mini-sun.  I could go on and on, even mentioning the ‘IHS’ stamped into the disc, or transubstantiation but you get the point.  The Catholic Church is Christian only in pretense.  But I don’t know how much of this you would want to lay on your friend all at once.

PS: The Hebrews, to this very day, keep the original Sabbath day (Saturday).

Jesus Christ became our Sabbath (Sabbath means ‘rest’).  So when the Bible says to keep the Sabbath forever, we Christians do keep it, but we can have that Sabbath (rest) everyday.

Matt 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (KJV)

Many things were accomplished at the crucifixion, another one of them was circumcision.  Circumcision is now of the heart and includes women:

Rom 2:25-29
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (KJV)

PS: If you take Mass (receive Communion) the priest will say to as he hands you the disc (wafer) “This is the body of Christ” or shortened to: “body of Christ.”  You then are required to say Amen (which means: “That’s the way it is.”).  What he is saying is that the wafer has actually become the literal flesh of Jesus Christ instead of just representing it.  This is called transubstantiation and is unique to Catholicism, and they re-crucify Christ every Sunday, and then in true pagan form they vicariously perform cannibalism. The whole Catholic Church is a hell hole (sorry).

So when the priest hands it to you (or places it on your tongue), tell him Amen, but then in your mind tell God that it only REPRESENTS the body of Christ – and it will then be a good Communion between you and Christ Jesus.  God understands that if you don’t answer the priest he will withhold our Saviors Communion from you — nice, huh?  Shades of the Inquisitions.

Don’t get me going on the Catholic Church Diane (I mean that lightheartedly).

PSS: I used to be a Catholic from a young lad up — until I read the Bible instead of the Catholic Catechism that is!

Related studies on Catholicism:
Mother Mary Apparitions: The hidden dark side  Read about the apparitions the Church isn’t telling you!

The History of Christianity (Roman)  The historical formation and progress of Christianity; from the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ on through the origin of the different Christian denominations, up to our modern day Christianity, then on through the prophesied ‘Great’ Apostasy of the book of Revelation, and into the Second Advent of the Messiah Jesus Christ.  Some chapter headings:  The events of the life and times of Jesus Christ / The development of Christianity into the different denominations / The Catholic Popes / The Jesuit Priesthood / The reformation / Persecutions / The Rapture ‘Doctrine’ / A look at Biblical prophecy future yet / Conclusion, what we can each do on an individual level.  For the history of the British Church, the first Christian Church, see: The first Christian Church A.D. 37: at Glastonbury; Britain (below).

Do Catholics Worship the Mother Mary? And if they do, is it against God’s Word?  It has been said that actions speak louder than words.  And while the average Catholic may tell you that they do not worship the Mother Mary, their actions say something quite different.  Let’s examine the danger in this.  Foremost of all, it must be stated that we do not intend to disrespect the Mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!  We recognize her as a highly moral woman, who while yet being a virgin, conceived the Messiah Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God.  It is our endeavor to lay bare the evidence that the Roman Catholic Church has erred in elevating Mother Mary to a status that is blasphemous even, and in doing so, places all Catholic lay-persons in danger of worshipping her as a goddess figure.  This of course, as we shall show, is against the whole of God’s command.

EXPOSING THE EMERGENCE OF THE FIRST BEAST OF REVELATION CHAPTER 13  For a deeper understanding of how the ‘first beast’ will manifest itself.  And how current events are shaping up for the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Bye-bye, and God bless you!
Nick

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